February 03, 2006
Strange Fruit Indeed
Jesus Christ: "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them”.
To see the Fruit of the Religion of Peace click below. (graphic image warning)
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I wonder if there was any mention of false prophets being inside of the sheep in addition to being in their clothing.
Posted by: slug at February 03, 2006 04:05 PM (0YdQw)
Posted by: Kos at February 03, 2006 04:29 PM (JQjhA)
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One down, a billion to go
Posted by: Steve Sharon at February 03, 2006 05:12 PM (6h/F6)
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Steve,
That's an American civilian.
Posted by: Rusty at February 03, 2006 05:29 PM (JQjhA)
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Yes, the false prophet has been around for more than a thousand years and he gathered quite a bit of crazy sheep in that time. Mohammad is the false prophet and Allah is his Beast.
Posted by: MandM at February 03, 2006 05:48 PM (/lpvu)
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Thank you Rusty, for reminding us of where this evil comes from!
Posted by: Melissa in Texas at February 03, 2006 08:30 PM (bbxLM)
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What I've always found interesting is that while Moses got his messages straight from God and Jesus got his messages straight from God - Mohammed got his from Gabriel?
Posted by: Oyster at February 04, 2006 06:24 AM (YudAC)
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That would be Nick Berg.
Posted by: lonelysoul at February 04, 2006 08:07 AM (2Ub5z)
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i darent even think about the terror that went through that mans mind before and during being butchered. may he rest in peace. islam is savage and evil
Posted by: ian uk at February 06, 2006 05:16 PM (GhCfc)
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Palestinian Authority Overstimates Own Population by 62%
When is overstating your population by 1.5 million people a big deal? When your actual population is only 2.41 million. That's an overstatement of 62%! That would be kind of like the U.S. claiming it had 453 million people instead of 280.
Worse, the numbers built of phony assumptions grow the error rate over time. Thus, the PA actually overstates its future population far more than it is already overstating it today. They overstate the number of Arabs expected to be living in Israel and the West Bank by over double!
So, what incentive could the Palestinian Authority have in lying about their population? The Officer's Club:
The report has the ability to bust a legion of myths perpetuated by pro-Palestinian factions. It disproves notions that Arabs outnumber Jews in Israel and the occupied territories, it reveals a Jewish majority in Arab East Jerusalem, and cements the dominant Jewish majority (4-1) within Israel's pre-1967 borders.
This affects the Israeli-Arab conflict on every level. The PA has long used these bogus head counts to generate sympathy for their cause on the international stage. It impacts Arab claims to the entirity of the West Bank, and blows the whistle on millions -perhaps billions- of dollars worth of international aid donated to help people that never actually existed (and in reality was probably directed into the coffers of Islamic Jihad or the now reigning Hamas).
Here is the actual report in Power Point format as presented to The American Enterprise Institute.
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There are no shortage of "palestinian" myths.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 03, 2006 03:34 PM (8e/V4)
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they've used these bogus numbers as:
(1) a threat (the demographic "time-bomb"; and
(2) they've used these numbers to get MORE MONEY from the usa/un/eu.
also keep this in mind: most of them are related a few times over because of forced consagnuinous/endogamous marriage. which has caused HUGE increases in the prevalence of serious birth defects.
gaza and the west bank have all the worst features of the worst stereotypes of so-called "hillbillies" like the mccoys and the hatfields: in-breeding; ppor education; and tribal blood feuds.
IOW: the mccoy vs the hatfields infuced with islamofascism and with steroidal rage.
even though there are fewer of them, (and it would seem therefore that managing them under continued west bank occupation wouldnt be impossible) Israel should still unilaterally separate.
redeploying idf assets behind a wall will better protect Israel - especially after the iran preemption.
one thing the IDF has to do - and must get jordanian and lebanese and egyptian cooperation for: preventing the in-flow of more weapons into gaza and the west bank.
these arab nations ahould have good motive for helping israel as it will help them too. neither egypt, jordan or lebanon want the isalmofasdcist hamas types to get too strong because they are a threat to their own regimes.
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Michael Yon Gets Shortchanged
OK,
this is just a matter of lawyers getting in the way of sentience. Some senior staff officer had better step in to dispel the insanity, and use a rolled-up newspaper on the JAG's nose while they're at it. Dumber than a bag of rocks...
(h/t: Instapundit)
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I don't get it. If he didn't authorize the release, then why did he obviously give the photos to the military in the first place? To admire his handiwork?
Posted by: hondo at February 03, 2006 03:34 PM (3aakz)
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I'm guessing: to allow them to use it, though not necessarily w/o cost. Allowing them to "admire" it isn't far off though, and I daresay there's a lot of "cultivating the field" in order to gain access. But that doesn't mean it's A-OK for them to exploit the hell out of the photo without compensating him. My guess, given his sense of mission, is that he'd be more than happy with a token payment. Just something so that the stare decisis isn't "exploit the hell out of every journalist with halfway decent intentions."
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Muslims Propose 'Final Solution' for Cartoon Blasphemers

As if promising to 'slay' and 'behead' the blasphemers wasn't enough. Now calls for 'extermination'. Since Muslims are holding the entire country of Denmark responsible for a single brave newspaper's actions, are we to surmise that only the Danes should be sent to the gas chambers or all of in the West who support them too?
Photo grab of BBC via fellow Jawa reporter Tim at Opinion Bug.
And just in case you don't understand what they mean by 'extermination'.
Above AP image via Michelle Malkin who has more.
Check out our expose on the terror supporters behind this demonstration and their ties to the City of Birmingham here.
UPDATE: Related and funny.
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That religion of peace (TM), always showing the world what peace really is to them.
Posted by: indolene at February 03, 2006 02:35 PM (YHcxM)
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Reason #412 to keep Iran from acquiring Nuclear weapons.
Posted by: MarcoPolo at February 03, 2006 02:46 PM (dH8aR)
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I propose we call this what it is: Islamic Totalitarianism. THis is not about religion.
Posted by: Patty at February 03, 2006 02:58 PM (aH6Zf)
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Yes, but it's an "internal" holocaust.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 03, 2006 03:04 PM (8e/V4)
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Of course they mean "exterminate" in a peaceful, introspective sort of way.
This just keeps getting better and better. I'm like a kid waiting for Christmas morning.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 03, 2006 03:05 PM (0yYS2)
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At what point does the rest of the world declare that it's had enough and will no longer respond to the daily threats and acts of violence by advocating free speech and claiming that Islam has been hijacked? At what point is it okay for us to take back our world?
Posted by: Graeme at February 03, 2006 03:13 PM (jepkE)
Posted by: Fred Fry at February 03, 2006 03:13 PM (JXdhy)
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Yes, female jihadist, I am ready for you. My Socom is cleaned, locked and loaded. Any more questions?
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 03, 2006 03:25 PM (rUyw4)
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Come on Progressive Europeans! Let even more immigrate in! Should prove interesting! With your declining aging populations - you'll need them to support and care for you in your declining years!
And think about your children - the few you are having. Whose lil' Hans, Dag & Michelle gonna play with in school! Why, they would all be alone in empty classrooms - if not for the new muslims surrounding them.
Interesting isn't it. Take France - muslims constitute 10% of the population - growing just with out imigration at 3x the rate of others - and in some young age groups already account for 30+%.
Its gonna be really interesting in another generation.
Posted by: hondo at February 03, 2006 03:28 PM (3aakz)
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"Be Prepared for the REAL Holocaust."
Somehow, I don't think it'll be pointed in the direction she's thinking it should be...
Posted by: John at February 03, 2006 03:57 PM (wg4FW)
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The subtle implication being that the Holocaust wasn't REAL....
Posted by: Rusty at February 03, 2006 04:15 PM (JQjhA)
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Prepare for another Heroshema and Nagasaki, or should I say, Mecca and Medina. DESTROY THOSE CITIES WITH NUKES!
Posted by: Andre at February 03, 2006 04:25 PM (bQ3vG)
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...and the subtle threat to kill all the unbelievers. I'm sure many of them will not mind me taking issue with their threat.
And you know what is truly unbelievable. That a few cartoons could elicit such a reation from these people. The barbarians are truly at the gate.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 03, 2006 04:26 PM (rUyw4)
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While looking at pictures of various "protests" in various countries, I can't help but wonder why there are so many signs written in English being utilized in countries other than England. Many of them use the same verbage as those in England. Rather than being frightened by these persons who seem to want to point the finger at us no matter what their actual agenda, I suppose we should feel flattered we're so special and popular.

And why no protests in the U.S.? I guess they've heard the phrase "don't sh*t where you eat".
Posted by: scarletbegonia at February 03, 2006 04:27 PM (z77r4)
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I'd like to see the Moose limbs try holding signs like that in Alaska. I doubt they'd last 5 minutes before they got the crap beaten out of 'em. Male or female.
Posted by: REMF at February 03, 2006 04:46 PM (7RMSi)
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Clearly woman in burka is a jooooooish agent trying make mooooslims look bad. This entire crisis smells like a zionist plot!
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 03, 2006 04:52 PM (8e/V4)
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The pictures are available throughout the western world - notice how all the protests and threats of violence are in a handful of Western European (Progressive) countries. They can smell the stench of weakness.
The signs are predominately in English cause the mullahs & boys back home can't read Danish or Dutch etc - most Western Europeans have a working handle on English - and they can send their threats of violence to Bush and America from the safety of 3000+ miles away.
Posted by: hondo at February 03, 2006 04:56 PM (3aakz)
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Nope wont see it REMF the only thing you'll see is the glow of a burning churches in AL.
Posted by: Howie at February 03, 2006 04:57 PM (D3+20)
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Was reading where the US is actually backing MUSLIMS in this little cartoon fracas. I'm really disappointed in our leaders who, even when faced with the obvious, continue to deny the truth about islam.
Posted by: Richard at February 03, 2006 11:31 PM (W8EsU)
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Uh, don't the Brits have strict "hate speech" laws for this sort of thing?? I am pretty darn sure if a sign read "Exterminate those who slander Christianity," the makers of that sign would land themselves in jail PDQ
Posted by: Jan at February 04, 2006 10:46 AM (bcz28)
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I didn't think of it before.
This muslim woman is a white girl.
All the more reason to find out who is beneath the veil, as these converts are often more radical than the rest, and she is probably even a traitor to her own.....
Posted by: fred fry at February 06, 2006 12:09 PM (BmQNv)
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Vacation Evaporation
See Vonski's weekly roundup of positive news from Iraq. According to the above article, the statistics indicate that the number of attacks in Iraq are declining. To those who say things are getting worse, not better, I would like to respectfully disagree.
Also Vonski discusses the WAPO cartoon and threatens to...
not like it very much.
This outrage is developing into (surprise!) threats of kidnapping and violence against those responsible for the blasphemies. In Islam, it is forbidden to produce or view any sort of depiction of Muhammad to discourage idolatry.
Secular Blasphemy recieves his very first death threat!
A commenter left the following message twice on my blog now tonight, one of which timed in at February 2, 2006, 20:25 my time.
Commenter's name:
MUHAMMAD AWAIS
Email address:
MOEK007@YAHOO.COM
to all the non muslims.... u think by publishing these kind of things u can win or dreaming of conquering islam. let me tell you.. this is an attempt of the satanic followers who have no belif n faith... they are the misguided n rejected people of this world. if u dare to do this again a wor! ld wide holy war will be declared on you bastards. i believe that you the europeans are afraid of losing their ground against islam. and that is evident .. the world is turning to believe in islam... so such miscreants try to diverge their attention... a lost hope. i must say. did you (satans ) ever saw any muslim saying anything about ur religion..never...dont try our nerves .. you will have more to see in future.....if you would have been infront of me... i would have cut your throat right tere n then.... the ill-legitimate sons n daughters of the americans,,,and jews.....clinton himself a gay...who gives a shit to him... a bad character ex-president. you are the biggest hypocrate of the time.. God gives you true direction(hidayat). ask forgiveness from ALLAH THE ALMIGHTY....AND APOLOGISE TO THE MUSLIM UMMAH... OR YOU WILL BE PAST.
Congratulations and I'm sure Jawa readers will
find the email address helpful.
Hat tip Michelle Malkin for posting the Secular Blasphemy link.
Possibly related to cartoons "day of outrage"?
Investigators are trying to determine if a string of fires at churches in central Alabama were started by an arsonist, a state official said on Friday...One of the churches has a predominantly black congregation and the other four are predominantly white, officials said.
Update: That's six churches Burned in three hours. All on 02/03 the "day of outrage".
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British Muslims: "Behead Those Who Insult Islam"

What the news is not reporting about these people is that they are followers of Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad and that their website has called for death to all those who blaspheme mohammed. They openly preach this hate on the streets of London. A related group, The Saved Sect, operates in Birmingham.
Intelligence gathered from Jawa Report operatives indicated that radical Islamists linked to Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad are using The Birmingham Grid for Learning webservers to spread jihadi propaganda and recruit terrorists. These webservers are owned and operated by the Birmingham City Council. The webserver also seems to be related to various schools in Birmingham.
What we want to know is who has access to these webservers? Is an employee of the City of Birmingham, or a related school, a jihadi? I believe the people of Birmingham might be interested to know that there is a terrorist in their midst. Especially if that terrorst is teaching their children.
More pics at LGF.
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Posted by: Filthy Allah at February 03, 2006 12:30 PM (5ceWd)
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I hope nobody alienates these peaceful, misunderstood people, so we can dialogue with them.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 03, 2006 12:33 PM (0yYS2)
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So where are all the moderate muslims who should be counter-protesting this crap? Anyone?
Bueller?
Bueller?
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 03, 2006 12:54 PM (8e/V4)
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Whoa there they are all in one place calling for murder. Hmm I hate to take IM's gig but what an opportunity missed.
Posted by: Howie at February 03, 2006 12:54 PM (D3+20)
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I guess the problem for the European's is the fact they have no way to enforce their freedom of speech, or protect themselves from assault due to the restriction of Firearm's.
You cannot kill, or maim an intruder in your house in the U.K without going to jail yourself. At the same time the Police force is imploding with increasing wait time for responses and the fear of officers themselves, of entering an armed conflict without anything but a baton.
It's open season as far as the "radicals" are concerned, how can anyone defend themselves in a society that handguns are illegal, and rifle registration is given to those that have a need.
If you want to see an example of that, the day of my Grandfathers funeral, the Police came and seized his rifles until the licenses could be transferred to my Father.
Posted by: dave at February 03, 2006 01:34 PM (CcXvt)
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We must all of us stand up against the bullying and censorship of Muslim nations and domestic Muslims.
No one should feel threatened for poking a finger in the eye of Islam, any more than they should for doing so to Christianity, Judaism or Hinduism. Shutting off humorous jabs is the first step to foreclosing critical analysis. Islam desperately requires this criticism - from both within and without. Its adherents are murdering thousands around the world in its name. The rank and hysterical behaviour of the Muslims and their governments that raged against the cartoons only confirms this need.
Here in Britain, television regularly shows programs critical of Christianity that often are nothing more than ridicule and debasement of our faith. Why is this taken with annoyance, but not violence and threats?
Posted by: Paul at February 03, 2006 01:52 PM (PM/BC)
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LGF's server must be getting hammered. Can't get on the site at all.
Posted by: Oyster at February 03, 2006 02:53 PM (YudAC)
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These are good days my friends, good days.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 03, 2006 03:07 PM (0yYS2)
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I can only imagine the grin on Maxie's face.
Posted by: Oyster at February 03, 2006 03:30 PM (YudAC)
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Dave and Paul,
I feel for you. I don't know what I would do myself if I were disarmed, and what is happening right now has steeled my resolve to become more polically active. I have been a member of the NRA for several years, but I have decided today that I will divie up the cash and become a life member.
I will also put some more cash into buying ammunition for my firearms as they are useless without it, and my daughter is about to have some shooting lessons. My two sons are already prolific shooters and hunters. Everyone here in the US should do the same. The situation in Britain looks bad to me, but the media does have a tendency to exagerate. Maybe it isn't as bad as it looks.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 03, 2006 04:00 PM (rUyw4)
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Joe:
Don't feel bad, I left the UK 9 years ago for the U.S.
Two weeks ago bought a Winchester Model 94 Ranger, a rifle I have admired for years, but could probably never own in the U.K
Posted by: dave at February 03, 2006 04:14 PM (CcXvt)
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Behead the infidel for this. Behead the infidel for that. Friggin one trick ponies
Posted by: REMF at February 03, 2006 04:32 PM (7RMSi)
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Enjoy shooting that Winchester, dave, as I have spent many a day on a makeshift shooting range. And I recently obtained a Socom II(ouch on the price), but I had dreamed of owning one ever since Springfield came out with the M1A, I just never had the cash.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 03, 2006 04:32 PM (rUyw4)
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Boy did my blood boil when I saw these images of the rag heads publicly displaying their absolute hatred. There is nothing wrong with the infidels when they are paying up the money left and right though eh?. I´m not surprised that there was no police intervention - despite it being illeagal in he uk (lower case used purposely to indicate disrespect)to incite racial hatred. Or maybe this isn´t?¿? The ´british muslims´ can shit all over the uk quite openly as thats the way it is nowadays.....thats why I left.
Posted by: Eat his lamb at February 04, 2006 06:10 AM (bUxRY)
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Is this the religion of peace? whats with the liberals whya re they not condeming this?
Posted by: sandpiper at February 06, 2006 03:31 PM (as4nC)
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Fuck Islam, that pre-medieval death cult! If the jihadis come for me, they can talk to Mr. Benelli, who will speak on my behalf.
Posted by: Russell Whitaker at February 12, 2006 11:54 PM (bWAWp)
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There's a lot of violence in the Qu'ran, and a lot of violence in the Bible (particularily the OT). But one thing that seems unique about the Qu'ran is that it demands the killing of "unbelievers" (e.g. Surah 4:89). So, in effect, the picture shows a rather moderate muslim, who demands that only those unbelievers that "insult Islam" should be killed. I for my part will surely refrain from calling Islam a violent religion, lest gentle and peace-loving muslims cut my unbelieving head off!
Posted by: Aragorn at February 26, 2006 02:46 PM (OXXW/)
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Muslim Furor Over Cartoons 'Part And Parcel Of Culture War Against The West'
... the culture war that is being waged by the Arabs and Muslims in response to the Danish cartoons is an assault on the West's right to live and govern in accordance with its values. It is an assault on the notions of freedom and self-determination themselves
So please tell me, "Oh great Muslim scholars," why is it that "non-Muslims ought to behave obsequiously towards all things Islamic," and can't carryout a simple satire on how the world perceives the Muslim world by their terrorist behavior, while the Muslims are free to demonize Jews as monkeys and pigs and accuse Christians of being idolaters???
Caroline Glick absolutely nails it on the Muslim furor over the cartoons, and her piece in the JP needs worldwide recognition:
(...) At its base, the Muslim furor over the cartoons is part and parcel of their culture war against the West. The Muslims pushing the issue believe that non-Muslims ought to behave obsequiously towards all things Islamic, while the Muslims are free to demonize Jews as monkeys and pigs and accuse Christians of being idolaters. According to the rules of their culture war, if Western societies refuse to behave in accordance with their dictates, the Muslims have the right and duty to attack them.
(...) That is, the culture war that is being waged by the Arabs and Muslims in response to the Danish cartoons is an assault on the West's right to live and govern in accordance with its values. It is an assault on the notions of freedom and self-determination themselves.
That bears repeating one more time, because the West needs to realize what the Islamists are really up to in perpetuating the Muslim rage against the cartoons. The culture war that is being waged by the Arabs and Muslims in response to the Danish cartoons is
an assault on the West's right to live and govern in accordance with its values. It is an assault on the notions of freedom and self-determination themselves
I hope that's clear, now. Make sure you get it, then help to make sure everyone you know gets it. Pass the word!
Originally posted at Hyscience
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It's going to take a whole bunch more of bombs and beheadings to realize the only option against islamic extremism is no-holds barred war. An assault on our culture or more at capitalizing on our complacency and the strong current of cowardice becoming so evident? I suppose the two go hand in hand. Allah loves a coward, when it comes to establishing the caliphate that is.
Posted by: goesh at February 03, 2006 12:30 PM (1w6Ud)
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I hope they get just a little more uppity, because we of the civilized West are a little too tolerant of such nonsense, and take a lot of pushing before we push back.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 03, 2006 12:34 PM (0yYS2)
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I feel that much of this furor over "insulting" Islam is indeed, a blow against freedom. Maybe a stroke pushing the West towards our eventual "Dhimmitude".
Khruschev, in 1961 said his Soviet Union would bury us, and that the West would sell him the shovels to do this.
Also, notice how the Media Elites' seem to accept their own Dhimmitude, and attempt to make us "cowboys" feel like ignorant buffons, inadequate to respond to Islamic challenges.
Since (in the Media eyes) I am an unrepentant Racist/Cowboy/uncultured redneck, could someone define "obsequious"?
I hope it means something like, "well armed", or Breathe, Relax, Aim, Sight alignment/Sight Picture, Squeeze".
Posted by: dc at February 03, 2006 12:36 PM (e2269)
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I,ll bet the absolutly hate the SIMPSONS
Posted by: sandpiper at February 03, 2006 08:08 PM (sUgrV)
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The furor over a cartoon is merely
confirmation of the great gulf between Islam and
the rest of the civilized world. The war on
terrorism is only the advance guard of what
is to come. The flood gates opened when we
extended our way of life to the
rest of the world. Little did we understand the
maniacal component of religion.
Posted by: Bill Kondor at February 05, 2006 06:17 AM (0Zh2j)
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The 'Mother of All Downing Street Memos' Nonsense (Updated)
The tin-foil brigades are at it again. This time with a
Downing Street memo which is supposedly "bigger, longer, and uncut". In fact, this one is another non-starter for the conspiracists who would like to believe that George Bush and Tony Blair are the modern incarnations of evil.
To the conspiracy theorists all absence of evidence is evidence of kabal and silence is nothing more than cover up. Thus, the conspiracist is left grasping at straws and then calling such straws evidence--or worse, proof.
So, what is in this "mother of all Downing Street memos" which David Corn believes is evidence that Bush and Blair are "conspiring to create a modern-day version of the sinking of the Maine"? Yes, Corn actually uses the word conspiring--you know, as in "to be involved in a conspiracy", Here is the Channel4 'exlusive':
President Bush to Tony Blair: "The US was thinking of flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours. If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach"
Corn calls this the equivalent of the sinking of the Maine, which is telling since he seems to believe that was a 'conspiracy' as well.
But, what exactly is the big deal here? The fact of the matter is that Saddam Hussein was doing this on a nearly daily basis already! With or without the Bush-Blair conspiracy, Iraqi forces fired on U.S. and British planes patrolling the no-fly zone thousands of times before U.S. troops ever invaded Iraq.
How does one conspire to create an incident that is already happening on nearly a daily basis? Is Corn and the American Left acually so ignorant as to have not read the hundreds of press reports of Iraqi forces firing on Coalition airplanes for years and years before the invasion?
Saddam had been in breach for a dozen years, the majority of which were under the Clinton administration. Was Bill Clinton somehow involved in this conspiracy too?
Corn seems to rest his hopes on that single point. But there is more in what he calls 'the mother of all Downing Street' memos:
Bush: "It was also possible that a defector could be brought out who would give a public presentation about Saddam's WMD, and there was also a small possibility that Saddam would be assassinated."
I'm not sure which part is more not shocking. An Iraqi defector had come forward and presented his case about WMD. It was during the Clinton Administration. It turned out that defector's information was accurate. Despite intelligence that claimed Iraq had no WMD, it turned out that the intelligence was wrong. Iraq did have an active WMD program despite what the CIA was saying.
That defector was Saddam Hussein's son-in-law and it was the Clinton Administration's intelligence community that had the WMD prediction wrong. But I'm sure that was part of the conspiracy, right?
So, what is the big deal about wanting an Iraqi to talk publicly about Iraq's WMD program? It had been done before and used as pretext to invade Iraq's sovereignty before.
Assassinate Hussein? File under: mother of all not-shocking ideas.
What else is so 'shocking' in the papers?
Blair: "A second Security Council Resolution resolution would provide an insurance policy against the unexpected and international cover, including with the Arabs. "
That's not a revelation, that's just history. News flash: Bush and Blair wished U.N. would back invasion! Don't want Arabs pissed!
Bush: "The US would put its full weight behind efforts to get another resolution and would 'twist arms' and 'even threaten'. But he had to say that if ultimately we failed, military action would follow anyway.''
News Flash: U.S. believes it does not need U.N. backing to use military force to protect its perceived vital national security interests! How shocking is that. I seem to recall that John Kerry had the same position, before he didn't.
Blair responds that he is: "solidly with the President and ready to do whatever it took to disarm Saddam."
Er, and this is significant because??
Bush told Blair he: "thought it unlikely that there would be internecine warfare between the different religious and ethnic groups."
Okay, so Bush was wrong. Being wrong doesn't make one part of a conspiracy.
The conspiracy minded doesn't stop there. People like Corn were convinced there was a conpiracy long before the Downing Street Memo. The DSM was used as 'evidence' that their preconceived notions were correct. So this 'evidence' simply corraborates what they already believe. Just like moon landing nuts who believe that a photo which shows a shadow where they don't think it should be is 'proof' of the conspiracy, Corn and the far Left believe any statements from Bush or Blair that they were planning for war before they had publicly stated that they had made up their minds is 'proof' of a neo-Imperialist agenda.
But it gets worse. While rational people will see these statements as ambigious at worst and innocuous and obvious at best, people like Corn think the smoking gun has been found. They are so convinced that they know 'objective reality' as it really is, that any disregard for the memo is simply to deny the obvious. Hence, when the media doesn't pick up on the story Corn and the Left believe the media is part of the conspiracy too! Corn:
Will members of the press corps at 1600 Pennsylvania press the point? This revelation--which is more shocking than anything in the Downing Street Memos--should be major news here. But will it?
Zebra, meet stripes.
Hat tip: payer of bills.
dKos:
The new smoking gun reveals a flagrant violation of international law. Waging war under such circumstances constitutes a breach of the Nuremberg and Geneva codes and the UN Charter, which legitimize such action only in clear and present danger situations involving self-defense.
Bwahahaaa!!!
The Political Pit Bull has an excellent analysis of this shocking new memo, too.
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Let them push it: just more embarrassment for the Left.
Posted by: Jeff Medcalf at February 03, 2006 11:50 AM (eer2X)
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Liberal non-scandal #3450835.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 03, 2006 11:52 AM (8e/V4)
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What's so sad is that this is being taken VERY seriously by the Left.
Posted by: Rusty at February 03, 2006 12:12 PM (JQjhA)
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..at which point Mr. Bush looked at Mr.Blair and said "I think it's time, don't you? Mr Blair agreed at which time a large antique chest was bought into room, the chest was covered with 'runes' or some artifacts of a dead language.
I helped remove the large ivory effigy of Imperial Emperor Karl Rove, and poured in an equal mix of Haliburton oil, and Arab baby blood from a vial, It was at this point I heard the voice of Ariel Sharon over the intercom it boomed and said "DRINK...YOUR MASTER COMMANDS IT!" it was at this point Mr.Bush, and Mr. Blair suckled the fingers extended from the effigy and began drinking"
The "Real" portions of the Left's "Downing Street Memo" remember it's fake but accurate!!
Posted by: dave at February 03, 2006 12:12 PM (CcXvt)
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Bush told Blair he: "thought it unlikely that there would be internecine warfare between the different religious and ethnic groups."
Oh, for God's sake, does this even sound like the President, even a little bit?
I have to think that President Bush would say "civil war", rather than "internecine warfare", and, in fact, there has not been a "civil war".
I'd also like to know why the actual document hasn't been presented for inspection. Could it be that the Left learned a valuable lesson from the Dan Rather TANG memo fiasco?
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This "memo" are the words of a third party. Words that can easily and likely change the context of any conversation. Ambiguous doesn't even begin to describe some of those statements. It should go into the toilet right next to a certain book.
Posted by: Oyster at February 03, 2006 12:28 PM (YudAC)
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The timing of this latest leftist assault on our leadership and the uprising of muslims in Europe is a little too coincidental to be accidental. I've known for a long time that the leftists were walking hand-in-hand with muslims, and this is just more proof.
The day is coming, so buy a gun and stock up on ammo while you can, because when the time is at hand, the government will ban all sales of arms and ammo.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 03, 2006 12:38 PM (0yYS2)
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Bush Derangement Syndrome knows no bounds.
Posted by: indolene at February 03, 2006 01:26 PM (YHcxM)
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You forgot this part of the article, fucktard:
"A memo of a two-hour meeting between the two leaders at the White House on January 31 2003 - nearly two months before the invasion - reveals that
Mr Bush made it clear the US intended to invade whether or not there was a second UN resolution and even if UN inspectors found no evidence of a banned Iraqi weapons programme.
"Should Saddam Hussein choose confrontation, the American people can know that every measure has been taken to avoid war, and every measure will be taken to win it." GWB,(3/17/03)
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Yes! MyPetGoat:
Hit Jawa where it hurts, they deliberately obscured that particular excerpt from the Fake Memo obviously to hide the facts!! Jawa also left out the part where Bush said he planned to attack by using flying robot ponies.
Posted by: dave at February 03, 2006 02:35 PM (CcXvt)
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Yeah they really hate it when we cherrypick their forged documents, it really shows our dishonesty.
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"Yeah they really hate it when we cherrypick their forged documents, it really shows our dishonesty."
Especially when it comes to Yellowcake...
Posted by: MyPetGoat at February 03, 2006 03:38 PM (QwwYn)
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Flying Robot Ponies!!! Ya mean they finally got that damn system to work properly?
Damn it! And me - an ol'hand CAV RECON SCOUT getting ready to retire in 6 months!
I WANTED A PONY! HMMV'S OK, Dirt bike was cool - but a flying pony! Aaaaaaaah man! This sucks! What am I gonna do with my Wagner CD?
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hondo, give it to MyPetGoat. He has been adopted by a Muslim teenage boy, so he may need it for the entertainment value.
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Oh, TedB, I see you want to fellate the Muslims, so why don't you take the place of MyPetGoat? And I'll throw the Wagner CD in, no charge! Have a nice day.
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Ha Ha Ha Ha
Teddy's shootin' those blanks again.
Posted by: hondo at February 03, 2006 06:20 PM (3aakz)
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you guys are complete idiots. why dont you look at some of this stuff before you stat talking? What if one of our "allies" (that means friends of ours)flew fighter planes over US air space? do you think we would shoot at it? hell yes we would. so whats the difference? I could tear this crap apart but I doubt that any of you would even bother to find out any of it for yourselves. so good luck guys and remember"ignorance is bliss" and it diffinatley doesn't hold up in a court of law
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Jihad Declared in Scandinavia
At what point did blasphemous art become a declaration of war? Via
Charles Johnson this
little nugget about a 'refugee' in Norway:
Yesterday (Thursday) Mullah Krekar, the alleged leader of the Islamist group Ansar al-Islam who has been living in Norway as a refugee since 1991, said that the publication of the Muhammad cartoons was a declaration of war. “The war has begun,” he told Norwegian journalists. Mr Krekar said Muslims in Norway are preparing to fight. It does not matter if the governments of Norway and Denmark apologize, the war is on.
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I thought the 9/11, Madrid, London declarations were quite clear. I'm afraid the only thing the ememy understands is a good ass kickin. No wait I forgot 1967 war. THEY DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT. They are like those kids in school who no matter how many times they got their ass kicked somehow thought it would be different the next time.
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So they give him refuge, and a taxpayer funded stipend, no doubt, and he shows his gratitude by declaring war. The irony is that if Norwegians start fighting back, the liberal government will come down on them. Just more proof that muslims and liberals are vermin and should exterminated.
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If I'm not mistaken, Norway was reluctant to deport Mullah Krekar because he said he'd be tortured back in whatever flea pit he's from. Boy, was that a good choice.
Howie, you're so right. These guys only understand getting their butts handed to them. Remember when the IDF bounced a hellfire missile off of Sheik Yassin's head? Hamas responded by saying that the Iraelis "had opened the gates of hell." Very soon afterwards, the IDF bounced a hellfire missile off of Abdel Rantisi's head and the bravado stopped real quick.
Posted by: Graeme at February 03, 2006 10:40 AM (jepkE)
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You're right Graeme, muslims can only behave when they have a boot on their neck.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 03, 2006 11:05 AM (0yYS2)
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Remember when, before 9/11, the Taliban in Afghanistan blew up the ancient enormous Buddhas? (They were apparently offended by them.) This was a watershed event and except for a National Geographic write-up I think it was largely ignored by the Western media. I think this cartoon fight is a similar watershed event.
The abused housewife doesn't give up her rights overnight; it is a gradual process. An erosion of dignity. A gradual acquiescence to what was previously unthinkable.
This is really important because we are losing our freedom of speech. And I read that US newspapers don't want to print the cartoons because they will offend. Since when did our news outlets ever care about offending??? I think they are afraid. THis is totalitarianism.
Posted by: Patty at February 03, 2006 11:12 AM (aH6Zf)
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Patty, you are so right about the Buddhas, western media did what it always does, small brief report then on to "what bleeds- leads". As to the offending cartoons, they'll do anything they can to avoid offending the smallest percentage of minorities in this country BUT they think nothing about offending the majority of Americans, God fearing, hard working, love thy neighbor kinda people.
Mike and IM, Forget the boot to the neck, Carter shoulda "pushed the button" back in 79 when those rags took the Embassy and the hostages. Ever seen the movie "Speed", yeah shoot the hostages sounds kinda cold and uncaring, but I still think had he done it then and said "Who else wants some?" we wouldn't have the problems we have now.
Posted by: memphis761 at February 03, 2006 11:55 AM (D3+20)
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I listened to two guys on the radio yesterday about this cartoon fiasco and a comedic performance made by one of the two. The other guy was demanding that the comedian apologize for making fun of the yearly hajj (that just recently passed) where the Muslims go en masse to a place where they throw rocks at stone pillars.
When the comedian admitted he probably was guilty of offending some people, the other guy said,
"I'm glad you apologize."
The comedian said he didn't apologize, and he wasn't sorry. He merely admitted to being offensive.
The other guy said,
"I'd like to challenge that."
I thought WTF? This guy is in total denial!
Posted by: Oyster at February 03, 2006 12:16 PM (YudAC)
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what happens in norway ?
a man refugee threat norwegians ?
where are the balls of norwegian to send him back to middle east?
that man is a terrorist and a idot
we all citizens of europe are danish ,
this is a crime against fredoom of speech
europe wake up !
send those barbarians to middle east and ban islam
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Then I have to go back to work.
If today is an official "International Day of Anger" in the Ummah, what was 9/11, a mild disagreement?
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Bin Laden, Kanye West and Beatles Bigger than Christ

Upside down bin Laden as Christ
When will the riots and death threats begin? Perhaps we should boycott New York? More from Michelle Malkin and Chad at ITB.
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Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 03, 2006 09:23 AM (8e/V4)
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Riots anyone?
Anyone?
Bueller?
Bueller?
No, there won't be any riots, and probably not even any significant protests, but it will be spun by the lying liberal scum as if any objections anyone has to this blasphemy is another
kristallnacht. Get with the program people, and realize that liberals support those who want to kill us.
Not liking what has to be done does not change the fact that it has to be done.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 03, 2006 09:26 AM (0yYS2)
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I'll give you a Christian fatwa for posting this if it will make you feel better, Dr. S.
Of course, the fatwa only entitles you to be prayed for and forgiven, so it may not be quite as thrilling as an Islamic one.
Sorry.
Posted by: a4g at February 03, 2006 09:55 AM (nMd9J)
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But do they have the balls to really support freedom of expression and publish the Muslim cartoons? I think not! What a bunch of sissy cowards they are. Pathetic!
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 03, 2006 09:59 AM (rUyw4)
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The ignorance of these sheep is amazing. Some nut-bag thinks he can make a bold statement by being controversial when all he is really looking for is fame and fortune. Then the other nut-bags in the art community will worship him for his 'gift' until some other nut-bag comes along. These people are as shallow as the lines on the EEG they received after their last heroine overdose.
It reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons when the art community worshipped Homer for about a day just because someone mistook the BBQ grill he wasn't able to put together for art.
And to think many of these people get a lot of funding to sit around and think of new ways to piss off the people who pay those tax dollars. Don't you dare protest that painting of Jesus made with feces or you'll be accused of censorship.
This is one messed-up country when the voice of the few is louder than the voice of the majority.
Posted by: slug at February 03, 2006 10:00 AM (wcNc2)
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Things are changing though slug, slowly but surely.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 03, 2006 10:37 AM (0yYS2)
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Leftwing creeps regularly go out of their way to insult christians and attack christianity only because they know there are no consequences to be suffered. And then they pat themselves on the back for being "courageous" and "daring". What a joke these people are. Contrast this piece of shit "art" with how respectfully CNN blanked out pictures of Mohammed so as not to offend muslims. Not so "courageous" and "daring" anymore, huh?
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 03, 2006 10:40 AM (8e/V4)
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It's getting real close to headbusting time in America I think.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 03, 2006 11:06 AM (0yYS2)
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Friends, the next time "Piss Christ" or some other work goes forward we must, MUST not protest, write sponsors or picket. If we had the collective self control to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, this Christian baiting would stop overnight.
Every single one of these "artistic" displays is intended to do one thing - help the artist piss of Mommy and Daddy. Since they're not around, you're the next closest thing.
Now, if I can convince another 100 Million American Christians...
Posted by: Gordon at February 03, 2006 02:00 PM (JwR1N)
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More blastfomies from the liberal scribblers what will happen now?
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A Fatwa a Day Keeps the Jihad Away
Yesterday afternoon it looked, for a time, like t
he first official fatwa had been issued against The Jawa Report's own Dread Pundit Bluto. On closer examination it turns out that Bluto gave himself a fatwa. Doesn't he know that fatwaing yourself makes you go blind?
Here is some more fatwa worthy material. Again, if you sit on a Shura council or are a Mullah, please be specific as to which Jawa Report author gets the fatwa. If you are one of the elusive 'moderate' Muslims we keep hearing about, then sorry to offend you. But, better to offend the moderate and expose the extremist than to forever pretend that the extremist doesn't exist.
(NSFW) Pigs and Muhammed (follow link) and Muhammed eating flying pigs.
A goat and Muhammed over at No Mayo.
Since Zombie's server got overloaded our good friend Beth backed up the archive of Muhammed images through history.
Remember Piss Christ? Sobek has Piss Muhammed.
Art: Muhammed and 'Virgin'
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Ay! I am a real sheik and you will respect mah authoritay!
Posted by: Sheik Otulb the Terrible at February 03, 2006 10:44 AM (RHG+K)
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Eric Cartman? Is that you Eric, pretending to be a sheik of Araby?
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Egyptian Cruise Ship Disappears from Radar
(Cairo) All contact with the Egyptian cruise ship
Salaam 98 was lost shortly after it left the Saudi port of Dubah on the Red Sea coast.
From WCBSTV.com:
Egyptian maritime officials say lifeboats containing people have been spotted in vicinity of where cruise liner was last seen on radar.
The ship Salaam 98 disappeared from radar screens shortly after sailing from the port of Dubah, western Saudi Arabia, at 7 p.m. local time on Thursday night, maritime officials in Suez said.
They spoke on condition of anonymity as they were not authorized to address the media.
The ship was due to have arrived at Egypt's southern port of Safaga at 3 a.m. local time, but did not, the officials added.
The ship, owned by El-Salaam Maritime Transport Co., carried 1,300 passengers, many of them pilgrims returning from the annual hajj to Mecca. Notably, from
my reading, these ships are often overloaded and poorly maintained.
[Update] Another report has been filed with more detailed information.
From CNN.com:
State-run Nile Television, quoting the Red Sea governor, said the ship was carrying 1,415 people -- 1,310 of them Egyptians.
"Our understanding now is that there are survivors," said Egyptian Minister of Transport Mohamed Loutfy Mansour, who said the reports came from helicopter pilots.
"The Coast Guard is doing everything in its power to try to rescue the people." Four frigates were expected to arrive at the site soon, he added.
Helicopters have spotted bodies floating on the sea and one lifeboat carrying three people in the vicinity of where the ship was last seen on the radar screens, maritime officials told The Associated Press.
Egyptian officials confirm that the ship has sunk. No cause has been identified, however, the ship is a roll-on, roll-off ferry design known to suffer stability problems. It's also known that the ship, built in 1970, suffered a collision in 1999.
Companion post at Interested-Participant.
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There are not going to be many survivors I suspect.
These old ships have a problem that there is not enough space on the 'boat deck' to permit those to get outside. In fact there might have been one 1 or two openings on each side of the ship to permit people to evacuate. Your not going to be able to push 1,000+ through a couple small openings.
I could be wrong, but my training tells me otherwise.
Posted by: Fred Fry at February 03, 2006 06:58 AM (JXdhy)
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So, given that everything bad that happens to non-muslims is punishment from some vengeful deity, I say what's good for the goose is good for the gander; the Lord of Goats must hate muslims.
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I've heard rumors that the Egyptians declined an offer of rescue assistance from the Israeli Navy.
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I wouldn't doubt it Brian, though it boggles the mind that the Israelis should even offer. I would honestly love to say "oh those poor people", but they were likely dancing in the streets and handing out candy on 9/11, so while I won't take pleasure in the suffering of anyone, I also won't lose any sleep over this.
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Reads like the events in Conrad's Lord Jim. Start your stopwatches on the "Zionist Plot" pronouncements. My money says they start on Saturday.
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Loss of so many lives is always tragic.
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Another TITANIC incedent but theres no iceburgs in the red sea
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National Security, The New York Times, And The Espionage Act
Gabriel Schoenfeld, writing in
Commentary, examines the question that should have been the hot topic in the mainstream media for the past month: did the
New York Times violate the Espionage Act in printing James Risen's story about surveillance of international calls and emails from al Qaeda suspects to people inside the United States?
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If you want to read the Gray Lady's article for free, you can
click right here.
For what it's worth, I'm not convinced that anything in this article damages national security. The existence and use of this capability was widely known prior to 9/11; the only thing in this article that is really new is the fact that warrants aren't being issued prior to surveillance.
Unless terrorists have somehow comprormised the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, (or Gawd forbid, the National Security Agency) it's very hard to see anything in here that
actually compromises national security.
Someone should explain this argument -- in some detail -- if it's going to hold up to scrutiny.
Posted by: IO ERROR at February 03, 2006 12:52 AM (FVbj6)
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Bluto
He's got a point. NYT is many things but stupid isn't one of them. They had their lawyers all over this for a year prior so they could find the gray areas and cover their asses.
They probably expected (and wanted) a legal confrontation on this from the start. This type of case by nature is very difficult to pursue.
They would then use the proceedings as a rally point for their overall agenda - and as a massive high profile PR generator.
I believe this is what they want - and I don't want to give it to them!
There are other options - continue the program - don't back down - hammer on the key facts ...
1) FISA overwhelming adhered to - these are necessary exceptions.
2) target specific - AQ and possible associates within US all reference War On Terror
3) not issue of Law - issue of ongoing pursuit of War to disrupt/prevent enemy actions within US
4) begun in ernest immediately following 9/11
and very important ...
5) No further attacks - and program key element to that SUCCESS!
At this point, we can afford some degree of release of info on successful ops which are currently classified - I'm hoping Congressional Hearings will "see to that". Just a taste is all that is required.
This is not a battle for the courts (advantage them)- it is a battle for public opinion! (advantage us)
NYT and the Lib/Left have an agenda - so do I! While politizing National Security is generally not an overall good thing - its happening anyway - so - play the game.
We got a strong hand here, and they're the ones who have to push, pull, twist, and exaggerate this to sell their fears to the American public.
We already know what they are gonna sell - Their fears and visions of AMERIKA THE POLICE STATE - but they have been playing that song for 40 years and it doesn't work outside a leftist dance club.
(some might hate my following terminology, but so what! - I'm being blunt - deal with it)
We will sell them a Raghead! - with a desire to kill, the capability, and a PROVEN track record.
Let the public decide - its all politics in the end - and all numbers.
What's that Karl? Did I forget something? ...
Posted by: hondo at February 03, 2006 02:05 AM (3aakz)
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I think it's the intent that matters, and the intent was to damage the war effort. If the NYT is so worried about civil rights, where were they after Vicky Weaver was murdered by an FBI sniper, or Janet Reno's BATF Nazi's were using a freaking Abrams tank on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, where dozens of innocent people, including women and children, were burned to death, then both cases blatantly covered up?
Slimy liberal traitors and the bastards in government that are in collusion with them should all be shot.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 03, 2006 02:11 AM (0yYS2)
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Hondo is right. The NYT's wants nothing better than to get in a court fight with the Administration looking like the victim of the police state. We are winning in the court of public opinion and we need to stay there. This thing would drag out in a court of law for years, with the Times getting the free publicity for their side. This could turn the tide against us.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 03, 2006 05:18 AM (rUyw4)
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I think it should take years in court, and hopefully draw lots of attention, so as to spotlight the leftards' treasonous ways. Remember that the light of day is the best weapon against this scum.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 03, 2006 08:55 AM (0yYS2)
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Maxie
How can you shine the light of day on something that's been out in the open glowin' like the sun for nearly 40 years?
Technically, it ain't treason unless your working for the other side - and they are not - they are working for themselves - their agenda - its a whole nuther ballgame.
Maxie - you seem obsessed telling all that the sky is blue and the world is round.
Posted by: hondo at February 03, 2006 10:42 AM (3aakz)
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If I am, it's because everyone seems to have forgotten.
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In fact, I believe that the NYT will not be called on this because of the obvious 'graymail' issue. I thought I stated that pretty clearly.
IO ERROR, you are in error. Surveillance was widely
suspected prior to the NYT story. The NYT put terrorists on notice that their chances of being monitored were much greater than they had thought.
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Bluto, whatever do you mean? Your blog's already a star.

Just for the record, I'm not at all convinced that this program is in any way illegal. A few aspects of it, and things that have come out since, give me reason for concern, but I suspect the program will be vindicated in the end.
That doesn't mean the NYT compromised national security by reporting on the legal questions surrounding the program -- which was, after all, the thrust of their reporting.
Merely knowing it exists hardly jeopardizes anything, except perhaps a few highly placed people's political careers. Of course the terrorists had reason to believe that they would be under surveillance. Remember Clinton launching a cruise missile at Osama bin Laden in 1998? He stopped using his satellite phone because of that.
In any case, what seems to have happened is that since then, they got sloppy. Michael Hayden in his Jan. 23 press conference said that "they don't always act like they know they're being monitored."
So essentially at this point we're catching terrorists because they've gotten slow and stupid. I fear for what might happen if the terrorists become smart and fast again.
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I'll Take Your Mild Rebuke And Raise With A Fatwa
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Oh, if you're going to go all the way on a fatwa, gotta do it in style. You've got to go with
He'brew Beer. The Chosen Beer.
Messiah Stout and Genesis Ale.
There's nothing finer than quaffing a pint of Messiah Stout. And begging for a fatwa.
Posted by: lawhawk at February 02, 2006 08:35 PM (VazNQ)
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Hell with both of ya! If I drank (I don't) it would be a Bud endorsed by the NFL!
There is no God but Alfalfa - and Buckwheat is his Prophet!
can I get an OTAY!
Posted by: hondo at February 02, 2006 09:07 PM (3aakz)
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Sadly, they don't sell He'Brew here.
and hondo, the official beer of the NFL is Coors Light.
But I'll still give you an OTAY!
Posted by: Vinnie at February 02, 2006 09:27 PM (f289O)
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See what happens when you don't drink - ya forget things! Sorry.
What's the beer of the NHL? And what's the NHL?
OTAY!
Posted by: hondo at February 02, 2006 10:23 PM (3aakz)
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Sadly I can't drink any beer this late because it makes me Pisslam all night.
Posted by: Dadzilla at February 02, 2006 11:02 PM (RA1qK)
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When the heck are the U.S. Papers going to grow some balls and print the cartoons? I mean what are they scared of? Terrorists threatening to attack us? Umm...Didn't they already promise to do that.
I also saw an interview of some Islamic Council in the U.S. on PBS and he talked about how the cartoons are so bad and should be censored.
Who here thinks that when people come to the United States they don't just get the freedoms entitled by the Constitution but that unless they "accept" those freedoms they hereby aren't true American and should be shipped to Saudia Arabia where they won't need to complain because everything is censored...just the way they like it.
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Who's Alienating Whom?
Lots of debate in an earlier post concerning the horrendous stick figure caricatures that are being posted here. The general concern seems to be that us Louvre-bound artists may alienate moderate Muslims. You know, our allies.
So, let's check in with our most moderate of Muslim allies, Turkey.
Via the blog grandfather:
ISTANBUL, Turkey (Feb. 2) - In the most expensive Turkish movie ever made, American soldiers in Iraq crash a wedding and pump a little boy full of lead in front of his mother.
They kill dozens of innocent people with random machine gun fire, shoot the groom in the head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison - where a Jewish doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich people in New York, London and Tel Aviv.
"Valley of the Wolves Iraq" - set to open in Turkey on Friday - feeds off the increasingly negative feelings many Turks harbor toward their longtime NATO allies: Americans.
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But Topbas and other Turks at the premiere weren't too concerned about how the movie would be perceived in the United States.
"There isn't going to be a war over this," said Nefise Karatay, a Turkish model lounging on a sofa after the premiere. "Everyone knows that Americans have a good side. That's not what this is about."
I'm feeling fairly alienated by our moderate Muslim allies at the moment. Anyone up for a little rioting and Turkish flag burning?
I'm not surprised by Busey and Zane's involvement. Busey went out of his way to belittle our military in the wretched Seagal flick "Under Siege" and Zane was nothing if not the epitome of eeevil conservative rich white guy in Titanic.
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Ever see the movie midnight express? Seems like the nation of pigs is grunting again.
If you don't understand that, go get the movie about William Hayes called Midnight Express.
Posted by: Andre at February 02, 2006 06:38 PM (bQ3vG)
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"Everyone knows that Americans have a good side. That's not what this is about."
As an American without a good side I find this offensive. Racial stereotypes hurt everyone.
Posted by: ShannonKW at February 02, 2006 06:53 PM (dT1MB)
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I have a good side, but it isn't turned toward lying, cowardly, murderous islamic scum. The sooner we're in full fledged war with all of islam the better.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 02, 2006 07:01 PM (0yYS2)
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I have a good side, but only my wife can see it.
Posted by: Vinnie at February 02, 2006 07:01 PM (f289O)
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Both actors had promising early careers but have really sunk to the bottom of the barrel these last few years - they did it for the money - and were had mighty cheap too.
Ha Ha - Busey as an evil Jew Doctor out for body parts and blood from the goyim! Where have I heard that before? I love it!
The plot - the wedding assault - why??? motive???? None really - except all American military people are nothing more than bloodthirsty savages looking for the chance to kill women and children! Ahhhh, but of course!
There is actually an odd lil' true story from a few years ago reference a confrontation with a Turkish SP OPS UNIT (in civilian clothes) and a US Mil unit. Buried by both sides but pops up now & then and has a role in the film. Rather glamorized and sanitized I hear.
If this thread gets any play, I'll fill you all in on the rumors.
This is Turkey we are talking about - they have a lil' identity crisis going on internally at the moment - and this film is an opportunistic part of it.
Posted by: hondo at February 02, 2006 07:05 PM (3aakz)
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Just think, the Europeans are about to let these people become a part of the Common Market. Once a part of the EU, the Turks are free to go to and from every part of Europe. I'll bet the kitchen sink that the Byzantines regret the day they ever allowed the Turks to come into Anatolia. I have a feeling the Europeans will have reason to regret the Turk entry into the EU as well.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 02, 2006 07:32 PM (rUyw4)
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Just read on FT.com that European governments are caving and trying to apologize or explain their citizens desires to publish what they want. THis is just plain wrong. I have the impression that most of you have been tracking this a little longer than I have so forgive my naive incredulity at this but I am really - can't think of a word even... this is just so wrong. If I can see the fact that we are ceding our God given rights by being intimidated why can't European governments? They must think in the back of their minds that Americans will come bail them out.
Posted by: Patty at February 02, 2006 07:57 PM (aH6Zf)
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Improbulus Maximus: I agree. (with great reluctance, but reality is reality)
Posted by: Patty at February 02, 2006 08:00 PM (aH6Zf)
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Europeans don't have God given rights - they have State given rights - BIG DISTINCTION!!!!
What the State giveth - the State can take away - redefine - re-interpret - etc etc.
This is what the original Founder's understood oh so well!
If it doesn't come from a higher authority than man (any man), then it ain't written in stone!
Posted by: hondo at February 02, 2006 08:17 PM (3aakz)
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... and I'm even very religious - but I understand that so clearly!
Posted by: hondo at February 02, 2006 08:19 PM (3aakz)
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Whoa --- typed tooooo fast ----- word is NOT VERY RELIGIOUS
but every else remains the same.
Posted by: hondo at February 02, 2006 08:20 PM (3aakz)
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Hondo: OMG....you are right!
Of course, you realize that that means they are rudderless. Anything goes really.
It really will be modified Sharia in Europe before long. They won't do anything to stop it. Maybe I'm just panicking here but we AMericans have a huge problem on our hands -
I have a feeling you've already thought this one out. I told you, I'm a little late to tracking this...
Posted by: Patty at February 02, 2006 08:43 PM (aH6Zf)
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once again, with friends like the turks, who needs enemies
Posted by: Sona at February 02, 2006 10:09 PM (QAXSN)
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quite frankly when I read the synopsis of the movie I found it rather difficult to actually believe. But it is true they have actually made the movie as described I googled it and checked. The official movie website claimed it was opening today in the USA
Posted by: john ryan at February 02, 2006 10:47 PM (TcoRJ)
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John R
The film was made by/and for the secular Turk Left - and for the Euro Left whom they want to hang out with. Its also designed to appeal to Turkish islamist and other islamist elements - to give the Turk Left credibility in their eyes.
Turkey is undergoing some internal changes. Its been a secular nation which tightly controlled (and often oppressed) the islamists.
The Turk govt has predominately been controlled by the right/center all these decades - the Left wants it shot in charge (one reason they are so big on being Euro-nized) but ..... the islamist movement has returned and is growing.
As everyone knows - a secularize Left has no hope to power if islamists become dominant - and often - a shorter lifespan - n' definitely no belly-dancers!
So - invest a few million on regional PR.
Posted by: hondo at February 02, 2006 11:16 PM (3aakz)
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But sir, nobody ever worries about upsetting a Christian
That's because Christians don't blow themselves apart when they get offended, Muslims are known to do that.
Posted by: Matthew at February 03, 2006 12:15 AM (w09XI)
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>> "There isn't going to be a war over this," said Nefise Karatay, a Turkish model lounging on a sofa after the premiere.
Hmmmm, I wonder if that comment would be valid if an American studio made an epic film set in 1915, Post WWI Turkey. It would center around an Armenian newly-wed couple who are suddenly forced to take an extended honeymoon in the Syrian desert, along with over one million others. Inspired by real events. If it does well enough a sequel can be made, set five years after the first story.
Posted by: Graeme at February 03, 2006 04:54 AM (88DKD)
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Graeme, the Turks would holler like, excuse me, the proverbial stuck hog. Somehow seems appropriate that we all find out the Turks don't have a good side. As for your movie, it would be a epic worth seeing.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 03, 2006 05:25 AM (rUyw4)
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LMAO JJ! "Hollering like a stuck hog" is a new expression for me. It becomes even funnier when applied to islamic indignation.
Posted by: Graeme at February 03, 2006 06:13 AM (88DKD)
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I think the moderate Muslims they talk about are not whole countries like Turkey, but the moderates in smaller numbers scattered about the globe who are our only hope in seeing Islam reform itself. These people who made this film are provocateurs. Just like our own Hollywierd.
Posted by: Oyster at February 03, 2006 06:16 AM (YudAC)
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love the "hollering like a stuck hog" applied to turks. anyone interested in seeing another "bad side" of these hogs should watch "the armenian genocide" a one-hour documentary, scheduled to air April 17th on PBS.
Posted by: Sona at February 03, 2006 07:18 AM (QAXSN)
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I'll watch it, sona, but I wonder whether it will be another whitewash of the Turks genocide of the Armenians. I can't imagine that the real story will be told, or if it is, the motives will be passed off as secular. Wouldn't want to offend the Mohammedans you know.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 03, 2006 10:13 AM (rUyw4)
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In my opinion, this "valley of the wolves" movie is just commercializing on the wrong image that US has created over the last 3-5 years in the region. As it is the case in any part of the world including the US, the goverment and the media is quite capable of leading the public into the wrong direction/perception in order to gain popular vote or get more ratings/sell more newspapers (e.g. WMDs fabricated stories, early vietnam war stories vs. late vietnam war stories, cold war stories, France stories before Iraqi war and the whole french fries deal etc.) If I were you, I wouldn't take it very seriously.
Ps. I am up for the "Armenian Genocide" movie as long as it reflects the complete truth including the backstabbing by the Armenians fuelled by Russian supplies that has started all the mess.
Posted by: Huso at February 04, 2006 03:21 AM (K/6Dj)
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Hugo
Let's look at what was going on in the last 3-5 years during which you are claimig that US created "negative image" in that region.
1- 9 11 and countless other aborted attempts directly against US.
2- young men and women making the ultimate sacrifice to defend what US stands for.
3- Our President, always respectful of islamic faith which he declares is a "noble" faith.
About your PS: You are entitled to your opinion. however, the "treachery of Armenians" was actually fuelled by countless turkish(ottoman)atrocracies against Armenians, for centuries. one example is the massacre of 300,000 Armenians in Adana in the late 1800s. my own grandfather was the only surviving member of his family and grew up in a British orphanage in Harpoot. I happened, thanks to the British missionaries who also made the ultimate sacrifice to do what they stood for. the Adana incident in the late 1800s led to the "backstabbing by Armenians" which was actually the defense of the faith, life, property and honor of their people.
Posted by: Sona at February 04, 2006 10:18 AM (QAXSN)
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You finally nailed the reason for the genocide of the Armenians, Sona, when you said faith of the people. That was the real problem, as the Ottoman Turks were Muslims, and the Armenians were Christian. I have read accounts of the march of the Armenians to the desert in Syria. The only thing that Americans have to compare this to is the Bataan Death March in the Phillipines in WWII, and it was on a tiny scale compared to what happened to the Armenians. The brutality and inhumanity of the Turks is well demonstrated in the Armenian genocide, but frankly, the Turks were well practiced after having depopulated Hungary and many other areas of SE Europe between the years 1300-1800.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 05, 2006 01:13 AM (rUyw4)
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The slightest research you will make into the Ottoman history will reveal that Armenians were not the only Christians living under the Ottoman rule for centuries, including the 1800s. Therefore explaining the controversy with religion is pure ignorism...Just like Sona, all generations of Turks since then have plenty of stories to pass on about the Armenian brutalities on Ottoman soil.
Posted by: deni at February 07, 2006 12:50 PM (0jJ6Y)
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deni
But you are absolutely right! Armenians were not the only Christians in turkey. Just ask what happened to the Greek Christians from Smyrna (turks would know the name of that city as "izmir") or Assyrian Christians (not Syrians) from the south-east region of Anatolia. What they will tell you will be horrifically similar to the Armenian history.
I think it will be a good idea if turks and their friends stopped denying the undeniable and stopped blaming the victims. unless of course turks have no desire to be a part of the civilized world.
Posted by: Sona at February 07, 2006 09:48 PM (vPec9)
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Well, I don't think Turks will ever apologize for defending their country against threats to divide it.
Posted by: deni at February 08, 2006 11:37 AM (0jJ6Y)
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I live in Ankara.
I haven't watched the film yet. I would doubt if it is any different from Rambo movies demonizing Russians or Arabs.
Most turks have no ill feelings against Americans . Their anger is against the policies of Bush administration.
US came into middle east like an elephant in a china shop. Rude, insensitive, violent, single minded and arrogant.
Bill Clinton was perhaps the most admired US president by Turks only After J.F.Kennedy .The guy had charms and intellect.He was playing saxaphone and knew how to entertain himself in the oval office.
By the way Vietnamese won the war but I have yet to see a good movie from the perspective of Vietnamese. Next movie can be "Valley Of Wolves, Saigon".
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German Man Taken Hostage Over Cartoons, Released
The great thing about Palestinian terrorists is that there is always
another Palestinian terrorist group around to free the hostage taken by the original Palestinian terrorist group. The anti-hostage terror groups in Palestine know its bad PR. That, and they really need Europe's money.
Xinhua:
A German citizen was released Thursday night after being briefly kidnapped by Palestinian militants in the northern West Bank city of Nablus, Palestinian witnesses and security sources said.
A group of masked militants broke into the al-Yasmin Hotel in Nablus and forced the German citizen, who was staying in the hotel, to go with them, said the witnesses.
The hostage, identified as Christoph Kasten, a 21-year-old who teaches English in Nablus, was later handed over unharmed to the Palestinian police, said well-informed sources.
Fifteen minutes later, the German was released by police. Witnesses said that no one claimed responsibility for the abduction, but added that militants of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an armed wing of the Fatah movement, were searching hotels in Nablus for Europeans on Thursday night.
The group issued a leaflet in Nablus, which denied its involvement.....
Shortly before the kidnapping of the German national, another group of militants stormed into the French cultural center in Nablus, said Palestinian security sources, adding that the police managed to expel the militants.
Earlier in the day, militants in Gaza broke into the European Union headquarters in the Gaza City and shut it down after firing in the air.
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The paleo-idiots we call muslims don't even realize that they're alienating their best allies, i.e., liberal Europeans. Even a bunch of leftards will only put up with so much.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 02, 2006 05:45 PM (0yYS2)
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>>>Even a bunch of leftards will only put up with so much.
I'm not so sure anymore. If a slamotard saws their heads off these Libs are just as likely to go to their graves with curses against "Bush" on their lips than not. That's why they call it a mental disorder.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 02, 2006 06:18 PM (8e/V4)
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Why do these leftards go over to a place they are clearly marked for kidnapping and killing?
Posted by: Andre at February 02, 2006 06:41 PM (bQ3vG)
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You may be right Carlos, but if the muslims kill all the euroleftards, and we kill all the muslims, what a happy world it would be.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 02, 2006 07:02 PM (0yYS2)
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Like I noted before - foreigners in Gaza and the West Bank are virtually all Euro sympathizers, UN personnel (sympathizers), and various Peace groups (sympathizers -typically left).
Sit back and enjoy the show -
Maxie! ... have a beer, I'm makin' some popcorn ... extra butter?
Posted by: hondo at February 02, 2006 07:16 PM (3aakz)
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I'd have a beer, hondo, but, alas, I live in a dry county and the nearest liquor store is 30 miles away, and I am trying to conserve gasoline. Popcorn sounds good, and I love extra butter, but the daughter got the last bag. So grapes will have to suffice. Much better than raisins.
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>>>Sit back and enjoy the show -
lol!
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 02, 2006 07:43 PM (8e/V4)
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Dry county? I'm surprised you don't make your own.
Conserving gas? Remember a rancher in Wy 'bout 20-25 yrs ago who modified his trucks and farm equipment to run on Hydrogen gas - conversion is not that difficult with an internal combustion engine if your a skilled mechanic. Used a windmill to generate the necessary electrical current for electrolysis - an old stagnant well provided the water - collection and storage was also relatively easy. Got better milage too - more bang in straight Hydro gas - slightly reduced range though.
Wish I had the time, money and location to play - its the old engineer in me.
Posted by: hondo at February 02, 2006 08:10 PM (3aakz)
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jesusland joe
How 'bout I bring some Kirin or Asahi back with me this summer. The show should be in fool swing by then.......and the re-runs.....Pssht, glug, glug, glug AAAAAHH. Maxie! Where the hecks the popcorn?
Posted by: forest hunter at February 02, 2006 08:14 PM (Fq6zR)
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Haha, hondo, I grew up in the oil patch and we used to go around to all the oil wells and gather up the drip(we call it casin head). When you put drip in your car, get ready for a rough ride, as the octane level is a little on the low side, but it was free. And fun.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 02, 2006 08:21 PM (rUyw4)
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JJ
Sound like a redneck - you by any chance one of those guys who go huntin' off season at night armed with your front bumper?
And it runs? Damn!
Posted by: hondo at February 02, 2006 08:48 PM (3aakz)
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redneck? Yep, I think so, and me and my oldest son did run over 4 deer in the past two years. That's just one of the few bad things about living in deer country.
Yeah, it did run, hondo, sort of, if you get my meaning. It involved a lot of spitting and sputtering, that's for sure. But it was free and available, so what the hell?
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 02, 2006 10:03 PM (rUyw4)
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I lived in Vermont for a couple years and was lucky to have never hit a deer. Dang near hit a bear once though.
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Okay, it's not illegal...
...but it should be.
Cindy Sheehan receives apology from Capital Police. When do we get an apology from Lynn Woolsey for bringing a
tin-foil wearing Zionist conspiracy America-hater to Congress? A woman who
just a week before was kissing a modern Peronist fascist? Pleeeaase!
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Just as soon as Bush apologizes for handing Iraq over to the Iranian mullahs.
Posted by: mkultra at February 02, 2006 06:18 PM (ASUDI)
Posted by: hondo at February 02, 2006 07:17 PM (3aakz)
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Cindy will always be a squealing
screech-bat in my book.
Posted by: Wild Bill at February 02, 2006 07:39 PM (MVJOr)
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I think they should institute a dress code too. TV, radio, newspapers, Internet, bumper stickers, parks and streets, etc. ain't enough venues for expression?
The halls of Congress and other institutions are ostensibly where people should come together, not sow more division. If we're going to demand that our reps stop their own petty bickering and personal sniping then we shouldn't encourage it with stupid t-shirts.
I don't wear politically motivated t-shirts and I don't have bumper stickers on my car. I also don't attend marches and protests. I welcome dialog and I feel those forms of expression kill it.
Posted by: Oyster at February 03, 2006 07:16 AM (YudAC)
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You need to revisit your history if you claim that Chavez is a Fascist.
Fascism's political goal is State sponsored Corporatism. Chavez, in this his third elected term of office, continues to reclaim the natural resources of his country from the forces of corporate privatization and is using those funds for the common good of the Venezuelan people rather than for private profit.
Chavez is the antithesis of Fascism, and that's why the Bush administration assisted in a coup attempt against him. That action reflects what the Nixon administration did against the democratically elected Socialist Salvador Allende so that they could help install the Fascist regime of Pinochet in Chile.
You want to define Fascism? Look at the Bush administration and the aims of the Republican Party in America.
Posted by: blaze at February 03, 2006 10:20 AM (uwbcl)
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Maybe CINDY SHEEHAN should appologise for being such a blabbering fool
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A reader sends these cartoons depicting Muhammed. They wish to remain anonymous for fear of life and limb. Fine, throw away a perfectly good opportunity to get a fatwa. More for me. Please issue fatwas care of Rusty Shackleford and
visit our gallery of fatwa worthy cartoons here.
more...
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Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 02, 2006 04:47 PM (8e/V4)
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I, Sheik Otulb the Terrible, issue a fatwah against the vile, yet lovable and charismatic kaffir known as The Dread Pundit Bluto. This pustule on the scrotum of a pig is a great threat to us because of his immense intellect and boundless creativity.
May the breath of Allah infest his taut and supple buttocks; may an amorous camel become infatuated with him; etc.
As for the fatwah, in keeping with the twisted morals of the Great Satan, I, Sheik Otulb the Terrible, decree that the kaffir, The Dread Pundit Bluto, shall be abducted, along with decadent actress Angelina Jolie, she to entice him with her succulent zinaat and sundry charms, and finally to perform monstrous acts of fornication upon him until he succumbs, and troubles us no more.
Such is the fatwah of Sheik Otulb the Terrible.
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Dear Doctor Rusty,
Below are two links that will provide you with a host of top quality graphics depicting Mohammed and crew. Please credit illustr8rg8r with "Allah's Travel Agency."
http://nodhimmitude.blogspot.com/
http://thestudyofrevenge.blogspot.com/
Thank you, Dag.
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Sounds like the same Sheik that keeps sending me pics of his cod piece.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at February 03, 2006 08:36 AM (5ceWd)
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Hahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!!!!
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 03, 2006 10:28 AM (rUyw4)
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SOUTH PARK FATUWA STYLE they have just beheaded kenny
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